less immigrants = less crime

[action]

I think the final summing up is more a case of

Less criminals = less crime.

but that ignores the fact that it's mostly immigrants that commit crimes

[Greywoolfe]

I think the final summing up is more a case of

Less criminals = less crime.

but that ignores the fact that it's mostly immigrants that commit crimes

Which has comprehensively been debunked for much of this thread.

[Belle Leisha]

I think the final summing up is more a case of

Less criminals = less crime.

but that ignores the fact that it's mostly immigrants that commit crimes

That's because it's not a fact, it's something you made up. Difference.

[WeeMann]

I think the final summing up is more a case of

Less criminals = less crime.

but that ignores the fact that it's mostly immigrants that commit crimes

Your view totally ignores the fact that it's purely criminals that commit crime.

[JLP]

I think the final summing up is more a case of

Less criminals = less crime.

but that ignores the fact that it's mostly immigrants that commit crimes

Your view totally ignores the fact that it's purely criminals that commit crime.

wheras it is a fact that not only action talks total bollocks on QOL.

[WhiteMouse]

I can tell you just one thing- immigrants become immigrants not out of good life.
The rest is up to the personality.

[lord of all darkness.]

As an immigrant myself i doubt that i will be committing any crimes anytime soon.

I think both sides have missed the point. Sorry Belle but you do miss the point sometimes. The question should be (If Actions statement is true). Why are immigrants more likely to commit crimes?

I can only go on my own experience as an immigrant. I moved to a country that spoke the same language. I have intergrated myself in the Australian way of life. I have still managed to keep a sense of where i was born and raised. I do like to catch up with English ex-pats like myself from time to time without it being exclusive. However i am aware it was easier for me to intergrate than someone from say, Sudan.

The answer has to be a Government that is willing to assist immigrants in to its way of life. Language programs, History and culture education etc... There as to be a willingness by the new migrant to embrace the new country. They should make the effort to learn the new language etc... Not just move in, then not socialise with any but their own. The lack of language skills and isolating themselves to their own cannot be good for finding a job. Being a part of their new society will also make difficult.

Oh and before the usual culprits accuse me of being racist. I am aware there are probably lots of immigrants that do intergrate. AND not all immigrants are criminals.

[WeeMann]

Nice post.

That having been said, you've moved to a country set up to take our criminals, so you've probably just brought the average criminality down a bit

[Belle Leisha]

As an immigrant myself i doubt that i will be committing any crimes anytime soon.

I think both sides have missed the point. Sorry Belle but you do miss the point sometimes. The question should be (If Actions statement is true). Why are immigrants more likely to commit crimes?

I can only go on my own experience as an immigrant. I moved to a country that spoke the same language. I have intergrated myself in the Australian way of life. I have still managed to keep a sense of where i was born and raised. I do like to catch up with English ex-pats like myself from time to time without it being exclusive. However i am aware it was easier for me to intergrate than someone from say, Sudan.

The answer has to be a Government that is willing to assist immigrants in to its way of life. Language programs, History and culture education etc... There as to be a willingness by the new migrant to embrace the new country. They should make the effort to learn the new language etc... Not just move in, then not socialise with any but their own. The lack of language skills and isolating themselves to their own cannot be good for finding a job. Being a part of their new society will also make difficult.

Oh and before the usual culprits accuse me of being racist. I am aware there are probably lots of immigrants that do intergrate. AND not all immigrants are criminals.

As Wemann said, nice post, but missing it or not I don't agree that that is the point. There are many reasons Immigrants might be more likely to commit crimes, even more reasons they might be convicted for crimes committed or not. When the subject is action's statement though, in order for your post to actually hit the point it would have to be accepted as true, but there is no evidence to support it, in spite of plausible reasons for it. If anything that's even more reason to oppose the statement itself rather than to try to excuse it.

[action]

I think the final summing up is more a case of

Less criminals = less crime.

but that ignores the fact that it's mostly immigrants that commit crimes

Which has comprehensively been debunked for much of this thread.

nothing in this thread comes close to debunking my point

if it has shown anything, it's that people defend immigrants from committing crimes, justifying it and explaining it

immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in their own countries too. that another fact.

[JLP]

How about you come up with some evidence to back up you somewhat tainted claims.

[Greywoolfe]

Which has comprehensively been debunked for much of this thread.

nothing in this thread comes close to debunking my point

if it has shown anything, it's that people defend immigrants from committing crimes, justifying it and explaining it

immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in their own countries too. that another fact.

That's because in their own countries, they aren't immigrants.

What evidence do you have to support your hypothesis of less immigrants=less crime? Evidence and source we can check, please, or you've made it up.

[lord of all darkness.]

As an immigrant myself i doubt that i will be committing any crimes anytime soon.

I think both sides have missed the point. Sorry Belle but you do miss the point sometimes. The question should be (If Actions statement is true). Why are immigrants more likely to commit crimes?

I can only go on my own experience as an immigrant. I moved to a country that spoke the same language. I have intergrated myself in the Australian way of life. I have still managed to keep a sense of where i was born and raised. I do like to catch up with English ex-pats like myself from time to time without it being exclusive. However i am aware it was easier for me to intergrate than someone from say, Sudan.

The answer has to be a Government that is willing to assist immigrants in to its way of life. Language programs, History and culture education etc... There as to be a willingness by the new migrant to embrace the new country. They should make the effort to learn the new language etc... Not just move in, then not socialise with any but their own. The lack of language skills and isolating themselves to their own cannot be good for finding a job. Being a part of their new society will also make difficult.

Oh and before the usual culprits accuse me of being racist. I am aware there are probably lots of immigrants that do intergrate. AND not all immigrants are criminals.

As Wemann said, nice post, but missing it or not I don't agree that that is the point. There are many reasons Immigrants might be more likely to commit crimes, even more reasons they might be convicted for crimes committed or not. When the subject is action's statement though, in order for your post to actually hit the point it would have to be accepted as true, but there is no evidence to support it, in spite of plausible reasons for it. If anything that's even more reason to oppose the statement itself rather than to try to excuse it.

Number one. I thought i was disagreeing with the thread in my first sentence. But the point i was making was to show why we need to work more with immigrants than just throw them to the wolves. You say that you dont believe this or you dont agree with that. However you dont seem to put up an alternating argument.

[Belle Leisha]

Number one. I thought i was disagreeing with the thread in my first sentence. But the point i was making was to show why we need to work more with immigrants than just throw them to the wolves. You say that you dont believe this or you dont agree with that. However you dont seem to put up an alternating argument.

Now I really am missing a point, I said what now? I say I don't believe we should work with immigrants rather than throw them to the wolves? I definitely didn't. All I've said in this thread is there's no evidence to support the claim. You don't think that's the salient point, okay, but it's the only one I've made. I don't get where working with immigrants was disagreed with?

[queenb]

nothing in this thread comes close to debunking my point

if it has shown anything, it's that people defend immigrants from committing crimes, justifying it and explaining it

immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in their own countries too. that another fact.

action, no point arguing with people who can't see the truth.

Look at the percentage of indiginous criminals to the indiginous population then look at the percentage of immigrant criminals to their population.